socoring 3rd out with runners on base and hit locations

[dalupus]

Hi,

I have a question on scoring the 3rd out if runners are say on 2nd and 3rd.
Say the guy grounds to the 3rd baseman and he simply touches 3rd. inning over.
I have been scoring this as simply
ground out
touch location
touch 3rd baseman
done

Is this the correct way to score it or do we need to do it in a way to indicate the out was recorded on a force of the runner coming from second?

Also a question on hit locations.
I have in general been placing the location where the ball hits the ground on liners and flys (ie not where it ends up) then on grounders that go through (1 or 2 hoppers through the holes mostly) I put the location on where the ball is actually picked up. Does this seem correct?

Thanks,
Dal

[FTMSupport]

If there are runners on 2nd and 3rd (but not first), there is not a force play at 3rd. Supposing there is a force play at third, the proper sequence would be

In Play
Fielders Choice (Runner is making the out, not the batter, so Ground Out is not used)
touch location
touch 3rd basman
asks what happened to runner, you say Out, Third, Force Out


For hit locations, we generally score where the ball was actually fielded as being the location of the hit.

[OhioTex]

Your scenario is a bit off/mixed up...

With only runners on 2nd and 3rd, You do not have a force at third..


If suspect you intended to say runner on 1st and 2nd, if so then iscore steps are:
In play, (safe)
Fielders choice,
Place Location, set type...grounder, soft/medium, next
Who involved? 3b, done
What happens to runner at 2nd? Out > force out

Now if you ment to say, grounder to 3rd baseman who throws out-batter runner at first ( 5-3,) then yes, can use the ground out..

But i think the scenario you intended was a fielders choice, giving an unassisted put out to 3B on runner being forced out coming from 2nd

[dalupus]

If there are runners on 2nd and 3rd (but not first), there is not a force play at 3rd. Supposing there is a force play at third, the proper sequence would be

In Play
Fielders Choice (Runner is making the out, not the batter, so Ground Out is not used)
touch location
touch 3rd basman
asks what happened to runner, you say Out, Third, Force Out


For hit locations, we generally score where the ball was actually fielded as being the location of the hit.

sorry I did mean to say runners at 1st and 2nd. so even if there are two outs and the force occurs at third for the 3rd out you still score as a fielders choice?

[dalupus]

sorry for all the scoring questions. Had one more thing come up the other day.

Say runner on first and second no outs.

batter grounds to short who boots the ball.

would I score the runners as having been advanced by batter or by error? as the runners would have probably advanced regardless of the error.

now say there are 2 outs? in this case I would definately assume that you would say they all advanced as a result of the error as the out would have been the 3rd out.

[OhioTex]

sorry I did mean to say runners at 1st and 2nd. so even if there are two outs and the force occurs at third for the 3rd out you still score as a fielders choice?

Sounds like a fielders choice,

The batter hit into a fielders choice (a stat on his batting record), batter was not put out

The base runner was out at third, by force out.

The fielder gets credit for an unassisted put out.

[dalupus]

ok thanks

for some reason I thought it had to be less than 2 outs for it to be scored a fielders choice.

[dalupus]

sorry for all the scoring questions. Had one more thing come up the other day.

Say runner on first and second no outs.

batter grounds to short who boots the ball.

would I score the runners as having been advanced by batter or by error? as the runners would have probably advanced regardless of the error.

now say there are 2 outs? in this case I would definately assume that you would say they all advanced as a result of the error as the out would have been the 3rd out.

[OhioTex]

sorry for all the scoring questions. Had one more thing come up the other day.

Say runner on first and second no outs.

batter grounds to short who boots the ball.

would I score the runners as having been advanced by batter or by error? as the runners would have probably advanced regardless of the error.

now say there are 2 outs? in this case I would definately assume that you would say they all advanced as a result of the error as the out would have been the 3rd out.

Sounds like batter reached safe on error, e6

If you as the scorer think the runners would have advanced by batter with out the error, that is fine, use advanced by batter for what happen to runner at first and second.., if you think it was because of the error, use error. Touch players involved.. If only the short stop involved and it is a continuous play, short stop will only get credited with one error on the play even if you had tapped him three times to advance, batter,1st and 2nd base runners..

Then third out issue does not need to change your entry, i score will handle the unearned run implications that caused..

[team mom]

This is likely scorekeeper judgment (whether existing runners would have advanced anyway) but I do not think it changes the fielding or batting stats at all if you record the batter reached 1st due to error. However,I do not know if this would affect a pitcher's ERA if those runners then scored on a subsequent play.