Strikeout caught stealing double play

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Stats2002
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Strikeout caught stealing double play

Post by Stats2002 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:51 am

In one of our high school games, last inning, one out, runner on second; batter strikes out, runner is thrown out at third 2-5 caught stealing. Is it possible to request that you add a 'CS double play' in the runner was out options?
LarryKoch
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Re: Strikeout caught stealing double play

Post by LarryKoch » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:56 pm

I'm curious why this would be necessary. The scorecard shows K on batter as out #2 then CS as out #3. I wouldn't call this a double play since the batter did not cause or participate in the runner being caught steeling.
ETBill
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Re: Strikeout caught stealing double play

Post by ETBill » Fri May 01, 2015 3:19 pm

This is considered a DP in official boxscores I've seen (MLB and MiLB). It's two outs in one continuous play with no intervening errors, etc. Similarly, with runners at the corners, a strikeout followed by a CS at 2nd followed by the runner on 3rd breaking for home and being tagged out is a K, 2-6-2 (or K, 2-4-2) triple play.

iScore already handles this. If you are using advanced scoring, do the following:
strike, strikeout swinging/looking. What happened to runner at first? Out, 2nd, Double Play, tap fielders involved (likely 2-6 or 2-4). The scorebook will show a DP K for the batter and force out for the runner on 1st and won't show CS (so it's technically wrong) but the stats will properly charge the CS and record the DP.
ixamnis
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Re: Strikeout caught stealing double play

Post by ixamnis » Fri May 01, 2015 7:37 pm

So the pitcher, catcher and the fielder making the tag are supposed to all get credit for a double play? The catcher also gets a caught stealing as does the base runner?
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Re: Strikeout caught stealing double play

Post by ETBill » Sat May 02, 2015 7:05 am

ixamnis wrote:So the pitcher, catcher and the fielder making the tag are supposed to all get credit for a double play? The catcher also gets a caught stealing as does the base runner?
No assist for the pitcher (at least per the MLB rules):

OBR 10.10 (b)
The official scorer shall not credit an assist to...
(2) the pitcher when, as the result of a legal pitch received by the catcher, a runner is put out, as when the catcher picks a runner off base, throws out a runner trying to steal or tags a runner trying to score; or

There's also an out intervening between the pitcher handling the ball and the caught stealing, so an assist wouldn't make sense (just like the SS only gets an assist for the putout at 2nd and not at 1st on a 6-4-3 DP). The catcher gets a putout for the K (catcher gets the putout on K unless there's an uncaught third strike and another fielder gets the out), and then there's a caught stealing (typically 2-6 or 2-4). Runner is charged with CS, and it looks like iScore will give the catcher a CS in the fielding stats. Fielder tagging the runner gets a putout. (I scored a game last night with a 2-6-3-6-4 CS and only the catcher had a CS in his fielding stats.)

Since the pitcher by rule doesn't get an assist I believe only the catcher and fielder(s) get credit for participating in the DP.
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