Greetings! I am a new iScore user and tried out scoring Braves-Mets on 23 April. As a novice scorekeeper, I found the app incredibly easy to use, although a few scenarios had me a bit confused. One in particular happened in the bottom 7th. The Mets had runners on first and second and one out. The batter hit a popup in the infield and the IFR was in effect, making two out. The 3B dropped the ball, then committed a throwing error attempting to throw out the lead runner at third, allowing said runner to score. The runner at first advanced to second on the play. I scored it as an IFR for the batter (self-explanatory), an AB3 and E5 for the lead runner, and an AB3 for the trailing runner. Is this the correct way to score the play and/or is there a better way?
Another situation occurred during Saturday's Braves-Mets game. In the top 8th with one on and one out, the batter hit safely into what was described as a force out at second. I scored it as a fielder's choice (5-4), but again it's not described as such. Not sure if this is right either.
Finally, is there a site/service that offers unofficial scorecards of MLB games? I'm already addicted to this app and would love to compare mine to others and learn in the process.
Thanks!
Joel
First time scoring issues
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Bryan D Shepherd
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Re: First time scoring issues
In my personal opinion that should be a double error on the 3rd baseman. One on the dropped fly (allowed base runner to advance one or more bases) and one on the throw (extended amount of time the runner was a runner). I would have to look at the official scoring for the game to see what they did, but according to the criterion for scoring an error, both instances would qualify for separate errors. The trail runner in that scenario I would've advanced "On the throw", but AB3 works too.One in particular happened in the bottom 7th. The Mets had runners on first and second and one out. The batter hit a popup in the infield and the IFR was in effect, making two out. The 3B dropped the ball, then committed a throwing error attempting to throw out the lead runner at third, allowing said runner to score. The runner at first advanced to second on the play. I scored it as an IFR for the batter (self-explanatory), an AB3 and E5 for the lead runner, and an AB3 for the trailing runner. Is this the correct way to score the play and/or is there a better way?
That is correct. I assume you know what a fielder's choice is so I don't have to give my spiel about it right?Another situation occurred during Saturday's Braves-Mets game. In the top 8th with one on and one out, the batter hit safely into what was described as a force out at second. I scored it as a fielder's choice (5-4), but again it's not described as such. Not sure if this is right either.
Welcome to the boards! If I can assist you with any rules questions (including the correct ruling on how to score a certain situation) feel free to ask! I myself, or really anyone who posts will be happy to give you their input.Greetings! I am a new iScore user
Re: First time scoring issues
@Bryan
Thanks! I'm familiar with what a fielder's choice is, my confusion was more in how it was scored, particularly in that situation and through the app. I should note that the tutorials given regarding how to input a fielder's choice are slightly different than what the app actually is taking me through. Might be a slight update since their partnership with ESPN.
Your solution to the Friday scenario is good, except you forgot about the infield fly rule. In that situation, with two on and one out, the popup was ruled an infield fly by the umpire, so the batter is automatically. By rule, an infield fly is allowed to drop next to the fielder without an error (since the batter is already ruled out). The error was scored on the 3B throw to third as the runner at second tried to advance. For an infield fly that drops, baserunners are not required to tag up before advancing, but in either case is a runners advancement on an infield fly considered a stolen base or advancement by batter? I chose to score as the latter, as you would not rule a stolen base on a fly to the outfield.
Joel
Thanks! I'm familiar with what a fielder's choice is, my confusion was more in how it was scored, particularly in that situation and through the app. I should note that the tutorials given regarding how to input a fielder's choice are slightly different than what the app actually is taking me through. Might be a slight update since their partnership with ESPN.
Your solution to the Friday scenario is good, except you forgot about the infield fly rule. In that situation, with two on and one out, the popup was ruled an infield fly by the umpire, so the batter is automatically. By rule, an infield fly is allowed to drop next to the fielder without an error (since the batter is already ruled out). The error was scored on the 3B throw to third as the runner at second tried to advance. For an infield fly that drops, baserunners are not required to tag up before advancing, but in either case is a runners advancement on an infield fly considered a stolen base or advancement by batter? I chose to score as the latter, as you would not rule a stolen base on a fly to the outfield.
Joel
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Bryan D Shepherd
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Re: First time scoring issues
Joel, I didn't say anything about the infield fly because you didn't ask about it I am familiar with the infield fly rule, I've been umpiring baseball and softball for 7 years, but I do appreciate the clarification
The reason I chose to score the first error on the third baseman was because if he hadn't dropped the ball would the runner on second had gotten to third? Probably not. It therefore meets criteria for an error.
An error is charge against a fielder for each misplay that
a) prolongs the time at bat of the batter
b) prolongs the time a player continues to be a runner
c) permits a runner to advance one or more bases.
I have written a checklist of sorts on the forums covering errors. You can find it here: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1343" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Bryan
I am familiar with the infield fly rule, I've been umpiring baseball and softball for 7 years, but I do appreciate the clarification The reason I chose to score the first error on the third baseman was because if he hadn't dropped the ball would the runner on second had gotten to third? Probably not. It therefore meets criteria for an error.
An error is charge against a fielder for each misplay that
a) prolongs the time at bat of the batter
b) prolongs the time a player continues to be a runner
c) permits a runner to advance one or more bases.
I have written a checklist of sorts on the forums covering errors. You can find it here: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1343" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Bryan